. Through polyvocal poems, vast epic sequences, and world-building vision, Alice Notley 's work for decades has broken through to new possibilities of genre, lyric, contact, and time. DR: In your work, theres something in the interstices between thoughts thats both intriguing and active. On Ted Berrigans exuberant and idiosyncratic prose. I use the collages to go on without thinking with words. A semicolon becomes a semi-precious garnet cluster for the way it telegraphs these audacious leaps. Notley began the magazine to connect with preexisting poet friends and meet new writers on both coasts while living in the midwest. All the political problems are based in history. I think all poets do that; its also something out of the tradition of folk music. MYLES, Eileen. 64AN: He was a good friend. She has received the Griffin Poetry Prize, the Los Angeles Times Book Award for poetry, and an Academy Award from the American Academy of Arts and Letters. She distrusts change. Its radio friendly enough for Garrison Keillor to read on The Writers Almanac, but it also includes a sly bit of misdirection: the poems comic duo are easy stand-ins for Notley and her husband, Ted Berrigan, whose 1964 collection The Sonnets made him a star in the New York poetry scene. Which gives you bits of advice and instructions. In her essay The Poetics of Disobedience, Notley writes, I've been trying to train myself for thirty or forty years not to believe anything anyone tells me. In this apocalyptic, darkly funny, and, indeed, gutsy poem from Songs and Stories of the Ghouls (2011), Notley indicts logic itselfthe so-called common sense that reduces poetry to gender and experience to the known and erases whole cities in the whirlwind of war. On Facebook, , CA, c.1985, courtesy of the artist, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. . Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University Press, 2006. Nina Baym. That particular poem is in your selected poems, in Grave of Light (2006), and it was presented upright on the page, but it was published in a review called Chain (2000) and in the Best American Poetry series (2001) where it was horizontal on the page. In addition to collections of poetry, Notley has published the autobiography Tell Me Again (1982), the play Annes White Glove (1985), and a book of essays on poets and poetry, Coming After (2005). But people often say that Marianne Moore writes with the whole sentence. I also have a vinyl record, its like one of those jazz albums. The designer of the cover made an extract basically, making it wrap around the book cover, which was an attractive idea. 104AN: That was below that bed: the voices were calling to me from below the bed. Notley also thanks Tom Clark who would go on to re-publish the sonnet cycle in his anthology All Stars. In fact, the strong memories of starting points, including the vegetation, you just evoked link you to your New York School entourage. One year at a big Thanksgiving dinner, I sat next to the poet Michel Deguy; many of his friends in Paris were met for instance when playing tennis. Her mother was Polish and her father Irish. These places are continuously operating as presences in your poetry, particularly the Needles of your youth, in California, the Lower Manhattan in the heyday of New York School Poetry, and the Paris of today. 116AN: I was there. I think I know how to do things with my voice that are entirely musical. AN: Virgil was just this poet and he had to contend with Augustus Caesar. I went down there is simple, but it is rich. That was one of the first things Ted [Berrigan] told me about John: he kept a list of titles, like Civilization and Its Discontents, then he would decide, Ah, that would be a great title for a poem, and then later he would check his list and pull that title out. 101AN: Well, thats what a lot of us got from her; Im heavily influenced by Gertrude Stein, having had two Stein periods; in the second one in the mid-1980s, I figured out a thing about repetition: that, if you repeated, you could pause long enough inside the repetition to figure out what to say next, which she was probably doing constantly. But it goes Of asphodel, that greeny flower I come my sweet to sing. Its a long line that can take in short lines, which I did in Alette. Notley was born on November 8, 1945 in Bisbee, Arizona and grew up in Needles, California. [16] Over two nights, November 14 and 15, 2016, Notley read The Descent of Alette in its entirety at The Lab in San Francisco. In For the Ride (Penguin 2020), Notley presents words as precarious cargo being salvaged from a global catastrophe and disintegrating reality. As in her feminist epic The Descent of Alette, the quotation marks here both interrupt and sustain. Also in my poem Disobedience (2001), I got the title in a dream about him. New York: Penguin, 1998. DR: To go on with my list: We are secretly holding the ghost dance, take care of the pines where we sleep, I have the Antlers she., (2011), from the lady with antlers; that was strange: I fell asleep, dreamed of being a woman with antlers, then when I woke up I opened. 107DR: Lets see, arrive the exactitude of pitch the tune in words alone; thats In the Pines too. Alice Notleys influence on a later generation of poets exploring the subject of motherhood is hard to overstate. Her children, Anselm Berrigan and Edmond Berrigan are both New York Poets of a younger generation. Andrew Whiteman and Ariel Engle, whove done something mesmerizing; also, my son Eddie is both a poet and an indie musician: I know about some indie people from about 2000, not so much after that. ASHBERY, John. 44AN: That photo in the middle is me at age ten, I think. AN: Yes, they were the two Irish of the set. Grave of Light. much cooked meat, and potatoes with drippings (tears). Table of Contents They wanted people to come and put the dances on, trying to help preserve them actually (there were about fifteen or twenty Indian Tribes in Arizona). In this emblematic early piece, the text spills across the page. ALICE NOTLEY has been hailed as one of the United States's greatest living poets.She is the author of more than 25 books of poetry and the recipient of numerous awards, including, most recently . DR: Now I heard you say that the cadences for, AN: I actually listened to Monteverdi to get the cadences that were before, : particularly in White Phosphorus (1988) and at the end of Beginning with a Stain, . She met the poetTed Berrigan, and the couple lived in Southampton, New York (in the garage of painter Larry Rivers); Manhattan; Providence, Rhode Island; and Bolinas, California. AN: Well possiblyI take in a lot of things that I dont know about, or that I dont remember. [12] Her own book, entitled Parts of a Wedding, was published first in a small edition by Unimproved Editions then later as a section of the O Books anthology O One.[13]. What if youre not sure what kind of person you are? Ive mostly dredged it all up, and I know how to get to it without dreaming. Better to think of the poem as what Notley calls a bricolage, with hints of medieval allegory, jokey slang, strange jags of French. He could write any time he wanted to; Im like that too. My mother was always curious and interested. Peggy went to work at two jobs for ever; then there was a point where Johnny, the youngest, had to leave home, and she had a nervous breakdown, which was when I met her. My favorite is how to cure an octopus: you go fishing, get an octopus, and you beat it against a rock. She has lived most extensively in Needles, in New York, and since 1992 in Paris, France. 5Alice Notley is an extraordinary reader of her own work, which, in the last year, she has read in the U.S.A. (Providence, R.I., and Brooklyn, N.Y.), in the U.K. (Birmingham), and in France (The Pompidou Center, Paris). 16DR: Indeed, Berrigan and OHara were both Irish names. Alice Notley (born November 8, 1945) is an American poet. In 1992, Notley moved to Paris with her second husband, the British poet and novelist Douglas Oliver (19372000), whom she met while living in England in 1974. My book, (1992) features Robert Desnos and uses patterns from the. In 1999, Notley was both a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize and a winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Prize for Poetry. In the serious, reflective poem, Your Dailiness (1971), you mention finally understanding Willem de Koonings painting, Excavation, in a Chicago museum. 1Alice Notley is a major American poet of our day, who has been living in Paris since the early 1990s, when she moved there with her second husband, the English poet, Doug Oliver (1937-2000), because Paris was where his professorial career was taking him. turn right, that dream building cutglass window in door. There are others over there. 34AN: I met him once, Barnett Newman, right before he died. However, when you dream you get more, particularly images, which I dont have enough of right now. Notley has remained in Paris but makes several trips to the United States each year to give readings and teach small workshops. Alice Notley, Untitled, 1998. poets act like a middle-aged mother trying to get her kids to eat too Notley moved frequently in her youth (e.g., San Francisco, Bolinas, London, Essex, Chicago) and eventually married the . Lipstick, Queens, 1947 these were things he just wrote down on this list of possible titles. Notleys struggle for solace and understanding is all the more moving for its contradictions, confusions, and stutters. With long and limber lines, a clear narrative, and recognizable characters, this sad and sweet poem about Gracie Allen and George Burns demonstrates Notleys wide range. They would go out in the Hopi pueblo and get whatever snakes there were around, and a quarter would be rattlers, but in Prescott, they only used bull snakes. AN: His werent poetry workshops: he taught undergraduate courses at Columbia. I was her teacher, though Im not much older than she is, about four years older. 57, no. Among the most powerful moments in her work are the ones marked by her teaching poetry workshops in New York and her self-publishing the book. Her work warns of the ways in which our civilization and its conventional stories have failed us, but its also a reminder that the endless resources of language remain for those who have a little nerve. In the middle section, which is in prose, there are three people: me, Medea, and Dido, my gripe being that she founded a city, Carthage. I think I know how to do things with my voice that are entirely musical. I would give a task often based on traditional forms, or I would get an idea for a subject; and sometimes I used Kenneths books, because he was writing all those books then about teaching in nursing homes and to groups of small children. I used to substitute teach for him, sometimes, at Brooklyn College. Indeed, you are often spoken about as an engaged poet, like your late husband, Doug Oliver. I gave a talk on his poetry last month, in New York, which I wrote during the cold snap, when it was too cold to go out for three days. Though I didnt know I was being influenced by him again when I was doing. Its not around me much now. NOTLEY, Alice. I had just been in the States. New York: Chax Press, 2010. Death is for a moment, beauty is for all time, about World War II and people being away at the war. Her honors also include an Academy Award in Literature from the American Academy of Arts and Letters and the Shelley Memorial Award from the Poetry Society of America. In an interview with the Kenyon Review, Notley noted: I think I try with my poems to create a beginning space. You can read her biography, an interview with Notley, and more of her poems in the Poetry Foundation archive. Although Notley is less known to a casual poetry readershipher inventiveness and audacity are matched by her difficulty she is one of the singular voices in contemporary American poetry. His zips are like obelisks; theyre like sculptures inside the paintings. For some 45 years, she has striven against the forces that stifle idiosyncrasy. Actually, when I read The Descent of Alette, high-school students get similarly entranced. Twitter, NOTLEY, AliceNationality: American. Alice. 97AN: He is focusing on the foot; and hes probably also aware of the foot when hes doing the short stanzas. Was she of an Irish sort? NOTLEY, Alice. There was a piece of paper on my door that said: in your building there were two Jewish children who were taken to the camps; we are going to have a ceremony for the unveiling of a plaque on the rue de Chabrol. (1979), in talking about Marianne Moore, they say: Pound writes with the phrase, Williams writes with the line, H.D writes with the image, Wallace Stevens and Gertrude Stein write with the word, but Marianne Moore writes with the entire stanza, and I was just wondering if there was a unit that you use? Where Leftover Misery Goes. Robert Haas, Guest Editor. DR: Apart from what happens during the performance, can writing poetry be like a dance? Poems.. 79DR: Where leftover misery goes Can a poem be like a dance? She is a recipient of the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize. Notley's work stands as a testament to how difficult it is to be truly individual. Why hurry them along? I use the collages to go on without thinking with words. Breaking Down Tracy K. Smiths Poem Solstice, Jia Tolentino on poetry as a refuge, and finding meaning in Tracy K. Smiths Solstice.. . I picked ten poems at random to see how dispersed they were based on my working theory that they had a wide geographical scope. And its influenced by dactylic hexameter. NOTLEY, Alice. Get this from a library! There were various famous people now that were in it like Susie Timmons. [7], In 1974, Berrigan got a job as a visiting poet at University of Essex, so Notley and Berrigan, with their son Anselm, relocated first to London, then to Brightlingsea in Essex. Pictures from Breughel and Other Poems and The Desert Music and Other Poems (1954): that book is fantastic; he caught the new line, which he refers to in one of his letters. It always felt to me like I was enacting ideas that visual artists had normally, that I was figuring it out. She wound up in a nursing home, the life and soul of the nursing home: a great Irish lady. New York: Scribner Poetry, 2001, p.120-124. Alice Notley, Live in Seattle, Portland, WA: Fonograf Editions (Octopus Books), 2019. vol. New York: Unimproved Editions, 1986. Would you like to come? I didnt go. But only One is here.One is composed of words like one makes in beginning, chaotically.One makes them? 29AN: He has complete syntactical thoughts, then he interrupts things at the conjunction. She edited and wrote the introduction for the reissue of Ted Berrigans The Sonnets (2000), as well as editing, with her sons, The Collected Poems of Ted Berrigan (2005). Notley remained fairly prolific during this era, writing and publishing several full-length collections. Left-wing Radicalism in the United States: A Foreign Creed? 96DR: Well I think of Williams as a kind of Calder mobile waiting to enter into movement. This Kind of Paradise. Parts of a Wedding. She delves into a range of topics in a single poem, such as "The Prophet", she converses about toilets, different countries, and the idea of marriage, and somehow she's able to bring all of these farfetched ideas together. New York: TPR. Blinding the White Horse in Front of Me in Certain Magical Acts. AN: I wrote an essay about her work in a book of essays called. Bernadette Mayer writes through the pandemic. Alice Notley: It's an artifact and it's kind of torn up, called "lost lace." It's supposed to look like it . I had it for a long time and it started to break. Since I had all these poems without titles, I just randomly assigned Rons titles to the poems that ended up in. Courtesy of Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim, April 2018. His reviews and interviews have appeared in Kenyon Review, The Rumpus, and Pleiades. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 1979, p. 911-1772. I could have a conversation about Royal Trux: a very chaotic indie group, sometimes awful, sometimes amazingly brilliant. Of course, we salute their past: all the greats, Guillaume Apollinaire and Pierre Reverdy, and some well-known others. He spent two years in India, which changed everything about him. nature. It was reissued in 2021 by the London-based small press Distance No Object. 2Although she is a Parisian now, Alice Notley was also a key figure on the Lower Manhattan poetry scene particularly of the late 1970s and the 1980s. The artist Rudy Burckhardt once wrote that Notley may be "our present-day Homer." I like that it's a manuscript and not a book. Alice Notley has become one of America's greatest living poets. Nadja who sees things before they happen next and is just carted off: the status of mediums becomes a metaphor for the status of poetry in society. . Her first husband, Ted Berrigan, was an equally charismatic figure among an influential group of downtown poets. New York: Random House, 1954. El censo de 2016 dio la poblacin total de Kilkenny como 26.512. Im closely influenced by them, and working with Apollinaire at the moment. KOCH, Kenneth. Everyone who went there was either black or Hispanic. [3] Notley and Berrigan spent the several months between Long Island and Chicago in Bolinas, California, which is where Berrigan officially printed 165 Meeting House Lane. Your brain becomes taffy. They bring to mind the French tradition of Guillaume Apollinaires Calligrams (Notley has lived in Paris since the nineties), and their playfulness brings some relief to the poems voyaging. At the same moment, at Saint Marks, Bernadette Mayer, Anne Waldman, and I taught poetry workshops. This novel in poems, as its jacket copy describes it, covers the life of Marie, a woman who lives in a shack in the town dump. She has lived most extensively in Needles, in New York, and since 1992 in Paris, France. DR: You quote the powerful, assertive voice of Marianne Moore in a poem. [citation needed]. Shes made few changes to her approach to the work. We know how inane the decision was that everybody would have a car, completely destroying the planet. 111DR: To go on with my list: We are secretly holding the ghost dance, take care of the pines where we sleep, I have the Antlers she.. AN: He has complete syntactical thoughts, then he interrupts things at the conjunction. Her book, Coming After (2005), collects a series of sensitive essays she wrote about her own poetry and that of others from her poetic milieu. This is probably one reason that I change form and style so much, out of a desire to find a new beginning, which is always the true beginning. Raw language is the final material we have; it is only by shaping and reshaping it that we can hope to rebuild our world. Did it influence you? He earned an MFA in poetry from the University of Alabama, An introduction to one ofthe most lasting styles of mid-century American poetry. Light as airmail paper away she flew. 115DR: Also Im coming back often to that poem, In this Paradise, about the food-stamp office. All these disjunctions allow her work to be so radically personal; for example, this poem is at once a portrait of a mind in motion, a raw depiction of motherhood, a critique of patriarchal sexual politics, and a meditation on the sudden arrival of joy. Read Full Biography. For instance this collage that you put on the cover of. Flowery mantle. Homeric sacrifice? noise of darkness fear of, darkness now mantle of innocence King of his death now Home, Ive come home He said, Ive come home They were sacrificed for, nothing, for distant instants of thought All for your thinking, Illustration courtesy of Sophie Herxheimer, The Goddess Who Created This Passing World. Ron Padgett. 90AN: Virgil was just this poet and he had to contend with Augustus Caesar. 72As for my teaching at the Saint Marks poetry project, I gave assignments from week to week and I made the students bring in those rather than the poems they wrote on their own, to hold discussion without my having to criticize them too much. It so happens that there are many of those trees, syringas, in Rochester, NY, where hes from. Alice Notley is a major American poet of our day, who has been living in Paris since the early 1990s, when she moved there with her second husband, the English poet, Doug Oliver (1937-2000), because Paris was where his professorial career was taking him. She received a BA from Barnard College in 1967, and an MFA from the the Writers' Workshop at the University of Iowa in 1969. Young poets on the Chicago scene regularly hung out with Notley and Berrigan at their home and many followed the couple back to New York City in the late 70s. 1967; University of Iowa, Iowa City, M.F.A . Ive always taken up that ambient context in my poems. I the People 106AN: Thats from In the Pines (2007). AN: Yes, and she hasnt changed much. Theres a poem where you talk about meeting Teds mother. DR: Well I think of Williams as a kind of Calder mobile waiting to enter into movement. I knew him in New York, where I saw him from time to time; but after I moved here, he sought me out. 53DR: The disturbing political and historical moment we are experiencing could disrupt many collective dreams. to get there. The sense of something escaping is well illustrated by your poem, Where Leftover Misery Goes, among others. BRETON, Andr. For your work, from that angle, the place to start would be the collages you make, visual art. NOTLEY, Alice. Tracing the fight for equality and womens rights through poetry. DR: Lets see, arrive the exactitude of pitch the tune in words alone; thats In the Pines too. I assume I've learned a little more since the last time I taught, and that I've a little more to learn in the teaching. 59DR: With your interpolation of popular culture into epic poetry, I would expect you to be a household name here in France. AN: Peggy was great and, yes, Irish. I learned everything from the variable foot from Asphodel, That Greeny Flower.. where you and Eileen Myles read together must count among the great New York School moments still on record. 124I also have a vinyl record, its like one of those jazz albums. The words at night the states serve as a refrain that marks the beginning of each stanza. 54AN: Complicated as it is, I can sketch it out: basically, everything is just too dense on the planet, which has been a decision made and a byproduct of technology. [2], After Notley's graduation, she and Berrigan spent periods of time in New York City and Buffalo. 120DR: He was deeply inspired by the Hindu tradition, which was brave and opens the culture up. Humbleflannel skeleton. But it goes Of asphodel, that greeny flower I come my sweet to sing. Its a long line that can take in short lines, which I did in, . URL: http://journals.openedition.org/transatlantica/13862; DOI: https://doi.org/10.4000/transatlantica.13862, Universit Paris Nanterre and cole nationale suprieure des beaux-arts de Paris, Creative Commons - Attribution - Pas d'Utilisation Commerciale - Pas de Modification 4.0 International - CC BY-NC-ND 4.0, https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/, Voir la notice dans le catalogue OpenEdition, Plan du site Mentions lgales et Crdits Liens Flux de syndication, Politique de confidentialit Gestion des cookies, Nous adhrons OpenEdition Journals dit avec Lodel Accs rserv, You will be redirected to OpenEdition Search. Wholeness is not the same as unity. I can do that with my speaking voice in poems. The Circus (1971). 67My poem The Prophet (1981) is based on his poem Some General Instructions (1971). AN: I met him once, Barnett Newman, right before he died. vol. New York: TPR. The Indians said: No, we wont do it, but we will send people to teach them to you. The tribes then would send the people to Prescott, and every year they would teach these businessmen dances. 6David Reckford: Among the physical, cultural, and intellectual environments that have formed your particular sensitivity, there seems to be several strong and contrasting places. Detroit was burning and poetry was on fire. Alice Notley continues to live in Paris and makes frequent trips to the U.S. to give readings and lectures. Which is something that John Ashbery would probably have agreed with, in a way. She was married the British poet Douglas Oliver until his death in 2000. There werent a lot of cacti where I lived, but there were a lot of bushes. there was a picture of a model with antlers on her head and she was in a fashion show that day on the runwayshe was wearing antlers: it was a premonitory dream. Orpheus is a stand-in for poetry. Its filthy; I dont remember how I got that torn princess; but that bird was in a book; you see that phrase there marks what I was barred from: so the thing to see is that Im in jail and they wont let me into the Htel des Grands Hommes. Which is the Panthon. Then I figured out how to write them, so they enter the text. There's an unfinishedness. Entitled The Speak Angel Series, her latest collection of new material is forthcoming from . Essex: Chicago Editions, June 1974. The stream of shattered consciousness is occasionally punctuated by shaped picture-poems, variously representing a ship, a face, a winged coyote. As for my teaching at the Saint Marks poetry project, I gave assignments from week to week and I made the students bring in those rather than the poems they wrote on their own, to hold discussion without my having to criticize them too much. Now there are all these plaques in my neighborhood saying: Here 300 French school children were sent to the camps. I woke up one day. The conjunctions are the most mysterious places in Johns work. 84AN: You dont have to breathe between them. The Art of Poetry No. was influenced by my autobiographical book that almost won the Pulitzer Prize. The poem is addressed, at least in part, to Berrigan, who died in 1983, and the speaker longs to make sense of a country without him in it. A fairly long poem that Notley generally reads quickly, At Night the States gives the reader a feeling of being pulled through grief and back into life, with irregular syntax signaling the disruption to day-to-day living caused by a great loss. 122DR: Anne Waldman was an important figure with the [St. Marks] poetry project. When I read. I was influenced by Koch, particularly by the period starting with the second The Circus (1971). 82AN: Its not a dance; its a pattern of sounds: its in my voice which I think is sometimes better than singing, when I say the poems. 99: Eileen Myles. The Paris Review. When we moved to Needles, there had been a cry house which was a place where the Mojaves would go to cry when somebody died, and there was now this pile of boards: my mother was completely fascinated by the cry house, thus she would use that phrase; one of the first stories I wrote on route to the University of Iowas Writers Workshop for an MFA as a prose writer was about Needles, concerning a white man who goes to the cry house to cry. 74AN: Well, you learn a lot from teaching, at the beginning. There was pleasure in working with that discovery. Request a transcript here. Photographer unknown, Alice Notleys father doing the Hopi snake dance, c. 1945, courtesy of the Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. AN: He had no trust in his own ability to write things out, while he had faith in his ability to find things. The incentives to engage in selfish, destructive action are as strong as they always have been. At a certain point I wrote them down every morning; sometimes I do it more than others. (2005), and I have essays in it about her and Joanne Kyger, Ted Berrigan, Lorenzo Thomas, Frank OHara, and some others. The circle of younger poets who spent time with Notley and Berrigan included the aforementioned members of the Yellow Press team, Barbara Barg, Rochelle Kraut, Rose Lesniak, Bob Rosenthal, Steve Levine, Simon Schuchat, Tim Milk, and several others. Where Leftover Misery Goes. Chain 7, Memoir/Antimemoir; Summer 2000, p. 147-151. 36AN: Like dolmensyes, something like that. Poems and prose about conflict, armed conflict, and poetry's role in shaping perceptions and outcomes of war. I went down there is simple, but it is rich. Reason and Other Women. . But it, too, is elliptical, resisting the familiar satisfactions of narrative: its subway-goers appear and disappear, fragment and melt away under the watch of a seemingly all-powerful tyrant. 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