No. Some SMLEs may be found with as little as a 3 digit number and high as a 5 digit number. Howard & Bullough marked their bayonets three different ways: Lewisham Engineering, at 9 & 11 Malyons Road, Ladywell, London, was the smallest maker of the No. II* bayonets. The latter will have an engraving on the flat side of the receiver which will read something like (taking one of my rifles as an example), F(FTR)49. <]>>
The stock was made by . Lee Enfield No. According to Skennerton, more than 2 million Mk. 4 Mk. 210.00. According to Skennerton, these scabbards were most likely made in North America, either the USA or Canada. No4 Mk2 - 1955. British No4 rifles were set up with a 5 digit serial number system with 1XXXX being allotted to Maltby, 2XXXX Fazakerley, 3XXXX BSA Shirley. II became No. II* over BEC N96, inside an oval (pictured at left). BSA experienced a third level of maker coding change - each of its factories were given an "A,B,C" location definition. No4 mk1 is stamped on the side of the reciever. Rifles are in good to very good original condition and ready to fire. The significance of this mark is not known. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for British Lee Enfield No. II* bayonets from 19421945. I'm currently working on restoring a New Zealand, a Canadian and a German/Greek Enfield. 150.00. GI#: 102214907. I Mk. The Lee Enfield No 4 Rifle Mk 1 was produced by a variety of different manufacturers in England. Like the SMLE an all matching No4 or No5 will have all the serial numbers matching wherever they are found on a particular rifle. According to Graham Priest, on a rough scale of observations, he indicated that you see 100P.S.& S.Ltd for every circle mark; 150P.S.K for every circle mark, and 500N56 or unmarked for every circle mark. The rear sights were also switched out for Singer Machine marked and made parts (interestingly not marked S67 yet even this late in production and supply). In the case of Savage Stevens the serial numbers began with a 0C1 and for Long Branch 0L1, these serials progressed in sequence directly relating the serial number to the number of rifles produced. Marked US Property , Gun is in exceptional condition. Once the initial range of numbers was maxed out a letter prefix was added and the numbering began again. During the war, the No. When the No4T was conceived the cheek piece was transferred / continued. 1) A white "37" painted on the stock. $8.69 shipping. According to Skennerton, 25,000 experimental MkII scabbards were manufactured by the Franco-British Electrical Company, Tempel Park, Hurley. II was otherwise identical to the Mk. 1 Mk3 mark III SMLE No4 Mk1 1917 British Parts Lot S at the best online prices at eBay! 769 0 obj<>
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4 Mk. The Indians did us no favors scrubbing & remarking as they did. The factory site was razed to accommodate (apartment) flats in the mid-1980s. (120mm.) $40.59. This example came in a modified Turkish belt frog. US$40 (4 bids) The bolt heads are marked 0, 1, 2, or 3. Here is a Hoyt marked MT&B Co made USA 1907 leather sling produced in 1918 which are thought to have made up the contingent of these WW1 supply / shipments. Method III II bayonets from 19421944. This one was no different. Occasionally, viewer's (inspector's) marks are found on No. Manufacturers will be noted either on the left side of the receiver or on the left side buttsocket. I was recently asked to demo how to attach the web sling and its cousin the 1907 leather sling to an No4T for use in the field or range. Manufacturers in North America did not use Dispersal Codes. The company was established on the bombed out site of the South East London Indoor Sports Club (destroyed in the blitz bombings of 194041), solely to make bayonets. Baird marked their bayonets two different ways: Some No. You must log in or register to reply here. "S" Officially adopted in July1940 as the: Tab, Securing, Bayonet No. Since the Government arms factories were already running at capacity producing rifles and machine guns, private contracts were let for bayonet production. 4 Mk. SMLE Mk1 Forestock. H&B Following the sale of Remington Outdoor Company's assets in September 2020, Vista Outdoor purchased Remington Ammunition. Forging subcontractor marks tend to be very deeply struck. A redesign of the Lee-Metford (adopted by the British Army in 1888), the Lee-Enfield superseded the earlier . These come for the Lee-Enfield No.4 MK1. 4 bayonets. This also disbursed production, mitigating the risk of production being interrupted by bombing. Also, the Tape Hunt makes a return. 0000001426 00000 n
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It was a simplified version of the Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield rifle that served the Empire so well in the first unpleasantness. The serial would be correct for early 1944 if it started with a "3" - was the "1" added somewhere else? Decades of experience with handguns and holsters have given the author some excellent insights into the most popular designs. Specs: Savage Enfield No.4 MK1* Barrel Length: 25" Overall Length: 44.5" Caliber: .303 British Weight: 9lbs Capacity: 10 rounds Price: $600 to $1200 Ratings (out of five stars): Reliability: * * * * * It wasn't made by the French. I read that BO would indicate early 1944. 4 Mk. 5 Mk I (for example, Savage or II* socket bayonet was used in Iraq during the Second World War and by the Iraqi Army after the end of British occupation in 1947. Known Issues: PA 3rd Person broken (Wont fix) Tape clipping. Thanks to inter-war development, an improved and simplified design was waiting in the wings, and the No. and N74 - sometimes both in the same instance (pus inspection / receiving marks). The No4 Mk1 (T) rifles are pretty easy to verify as they were marked clearly on the wrist band, action and scope mounts. 2. Buy Lee Enfield spike bayonet with scabbard No3 Mk1 No4 Mk2: GunBroker is the largest seller of Bayonets Knives & Swords All: 972734854 . Along with parts replacement and service programs. The bayonet and socket were one solid forging. British "Enfield" rifles are some of the most iconic small arms in the world. The bayonet exhibits better finishing than most British No. . Hollands would mark all rifles that they converted, not spare parts. If you are slightly less lucky you may have a rifle, scope and accessories that have been used and "improved" by private owners and tinkerers, Here is how to spot original features, errant ones and simple techniques to step towards your chosen rifle impression - original factory - war years service - post war British service and post war International service - organized by parts group: Wrist markings: I was talking with a fellow enthusiast about BSA Shirley using electro-penciled serial numbers in production and so took some photos to explore this: Here we have a scopeless and virtually unfired 1945 No4T on the left and an "active service" No4T on the right that had its last service with India, other than the metal being painted with lumpy glossy black paint it is predominantly unchanged, On the left, the scopeless one exhibits all marks as freehand stamps through the blackened surface. Although touted as having many advantages over the Pattern 1907, the No. II* bayonets. 2. Hollands also wrote the serial number of the rifle in pencil on the inside of the barrel channel on wooden fore end sections - just the serial number and not the letters have been observed. Hey guys, I just recently was given by my boss a Lee Enfield NO.4 MK1 303 British that I am trying to gather all the info about. The No. Early No4 rifles were produced with the micrometer sight by the rifle manufacturer (Enfield Lock - "E over D" for the Trials rifles). 0000002083 00000 n
The very first Maltbys and BSA's produced their own and used the associated early marks for each (large B for BSA, stylized M for Maltby). The finish varies considerably between manufacturers, with Baird bayonets approaching the excellent finish of the No. No5 rifles (Jungle Carbines) serial numbers consisted of a sequential 4 digit number starting with 0001 running through to 9999, the numbers were preceded by a letter prefix. not at all lol, from the markings I can find and other details would you guys say it's a long branch with a savage magazine? This example bears the Canadian Government acceptance mark, indicating use by Canadian Forces. starting with a 1) indicates it was manufactured by ROF Maltby in Yorkshire, England. 4 Mk. Canadian Arsenals trademark was adopted in 1947, Spirit of the Pike - British Socket Bayonets of the 20th Century, British No. The No. by Saxon Cross 23 Mar 2012, 13:50, Post UKSkennerton's Arms and Militaria Press. This updated and expanded edition also has a ready model identification chapter and colour plates. There is another marking forward of the breech, but its so small It wont come out well on a photograph, I wouldnt even hazard a guess at what the marking Is as it`s so small and unclear. 4) Several arrow looking things located all over the rifle Later in World War II, a hot black oxidizing process was substituted. History, development, service, specifications, pictures and 3D model. The British No.4 MK I Enfield rifle was well respected for its smooth action and reliability. The No. This "last-ditch" SMLE was manufactured in 1943, and it has all the signs of a wartime firearm made in the throws of desperation. The No. Something that looks like 12C456 or 12L345. 5 Mk 1, unofficially nicknamed "Jungle Carbine.". over S376, inside a rectangle. ownership marking. 1 various markings. 0000012831 00000 n
For official references, usually the finished and issued rifle was tracked by its rack number and of course these records have long since been destroyed or lost forever. The Belgians received Lee-Enfield No. The tooling is rough, the bayonet is little more than a . A specific chapter in the new 'Lee-Enfield Rifles' update of the 1992 'Lee-Enfield Story' is devoted to Serial Numbers. Among the markings on the No. Where did the replacement Micrometer sights come from? 1 Enfield rifle was adopted by the United Kingdom in 1941. 1 Rifle in 1926that had served with . Brass is said to have been an alternative screw material, but I have yet to see them installed - even in Ts from other nations. Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 T Sniper Rifle (reproduction). The socket was forged by Viners Ltd. It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! Up Next we have a Lend-Lease Agreement Lee Enfield No.4 MK1 Rifle Chambered in .303 Brit, And this Rifle is in Excell. by The_Enigma 30 Mar 2012, 09:13, Return to The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth 1919-45, Discussions on all aspects of the The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth during the Inter-War era and Second World War. The markings in the other photos are not mentioned, except the '2' on the bolt head, which is its size (there being several sizes available to get the head space right). 4 bayonet is coated with PX4mineral oil (grease), in a green waxed "primary pack" wrapper. Lee-Enfield No. 2" over "Bg" over Crown-JF proofmark over "5171". Canadian Arsenals, Ltd. was the post-war successor to Long Branch. i would guess longbranch with savage magazine box and some brit parts thrown in for good measure , it does not seem at all unreasonable for the indian FR and yes the indians did no favors for collectors but there is no question who did the deed. II bayonets from 19421944. He does mention the stylised 'M' is rare compared to the other factory markings encountered. 1 Enfield rifle was adopted by the United Kingdom in 1941. Yet again, once the sequence of numbers caped out letter prefixes were used to start the sequence over. On the opposite side of the RFI 1963 stamp,is there a serial number? The markings were different for the different manufacturers and time periods, but they are all well documented in various books. For those out there that want to get deeper into the serial number issues I would suggest purchasing either Skip Strattons or Ian Skennertons books. He was born in 1921 and later served as a navy corpsman in Japan and Korea. They may have the numbers stamped into the front portion of the fore-end and on the bottom of the magazine. 2 mm. 5 carbines have ONLY four digit serial numbers. Hollands also stamped the rifle serial number into the hidden edge of the top of the butt that fits into the wrist socket and at the underside tip of the lower fore wood - along the barrel bore axis (other factory serials are seen here wrapped around the fore wood - around the barrel axis). This is an apolitical forum for discussions on the Axis nations and related topics hosted by the Axis History Factbook in cooperation with Christian Ankerstjernes Panzerworld and Christoph Awender's WW2 day by day. Snipers in the field (Europe) were prove to take a Bren length webbing sling and leave the 1907 Leather behind. It retains the 10 round box detachable magazine, however the largest change to the rifle was the addition of a rear aperture sight. Places that will have the serial information is on the bolt, receiver and normally the barrel. Before the war, Prince-Smith was a manufacturer of machinery for making woolen textiles. The entrenching tool was made by William Hunt & Sons, The Brades Ltd., Brades Steel Works, Oldbury, near Birmingham. That`s a No4 Mk1* made by Savage for England in the days of WW 2. The rifle was a No. S51 was already the war time production code for Holland and Holland - there were to make components under this code as well as convert No4 rifles tot he new T specification beginning in early 1942. The new value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has fallen ($24.62) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $603.36 . Lee Enfield #4 MK1 - MARSTAR CANADA. That looks like an interesting rifle. Markings: The left side of the stock collar is marked "14C2827 / S /1942" and with a flaming bomb proof. SMLEs will have serial numbers stamped on the bolt, receiver, barrel, nose cap and the underside of the rear sight. These included ROF Fazakerley, BSA, and ROF Maltby. On the right the "England" stamp was a required format for origin to be imported into the US after @1965 and is clearly stamped through all of the finish layers. deeply-struck "s" !o, I am hoping to get some help confirming or disproving my theory about this 1963 Indian furbished Lee Enfield No4 Mk1* I bought a few days ago. Guns, Parts and Accessories Quick Shopper, WTS/WTB/WTT (Want to Sell, Buy or Trade) Forum, Appraisals, Fakery, Dispute Resolution & Mediation Forum. The leather belt frog is of unknown origin. It was published in 2007, available now from Aust., N.Z., US and UK distributors. The Lee Enfield by Ian Skennerton (2007) - ISBN: 9780949749826 . $6.50 + $5.05 shipping. Smith & Wesson's new M&P FPC is a compact, folding pistol-caliber carbine chambered in 9 mm Luger and designed to accept the company's M&P handgun magazines. Weight unloaded is Nine pounds even (I weighed it!) These were the last No. During the Second World War, the British government curtailed the use of commercial trademarks to make it more difficult for the Germans to locate (and bomb) factories producing war materiel. It is probably a 2 groove barrel, most Savage No4`s were, but it shoots very well for what it was intended.Robert. Four mouthpiece materials have been documented: Zinc Alloy (Mazak), Steel, Aluminum, and brass. Rear Sights are flip-up adjustable aperature micrometer sights, not vertical leaf. The Lee-Enfield No. No idea what it means on a No.4. The Lee-Enfield bolt-action, magazine-fed, repeating rifle was the main firearm used by the military forces of the British Empire and Commonwealth during the first half of the 19th century. ,DTvb5@ kg:v%A$6%#,6J,q]+9
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lightly-struck "s" This rifle retained most of the overall design feature of the earlier model, including the 30 barrel length. Lee Enfield No4 Mk* Long Branch 1944 - SOLD No4 Mk1 Fazakerley 1944 Serial KC25154 - Sold No4 Mk1 Maltby 1942 Serial M10655 - Sold No4 Mk1* Sterling 7.62mm Conversion - Sold AIA Lee Enfield M10-A1 Cal: 7.62x39mm - Sold Long Branch No4 Mk1* 1950 - Long Butt - SOLD No4 Mk1 7.62mm - SOLD No4 Mk1 BSA 1942 - Sold No4 Mk1 Fazakerley 1942 - Sold .303 isn't any different that anything else. These were provided to Britain under the Lend-Lease Act. I've seen guys actually twist the action because they are so tight. Sujet: Re: Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 vs Armes modernes en .308 Aujourd'hui 20:28: Pour en possder une, j'ai une tikka T3x tac en 308 , et 600m ft un temps les rsultats taient prometteurs . All of the numbers on the metal (except the magazine) are matching. The Crown Corporation Small Arms Ltd., Long Branch, Ontario, Canada, made approximately 910,000 No. I with the broad-lipped steel mouthpiece. The butt stock itself is a n early war Sykes Limited Normal length piece - much like the original it replaced. xb```b``^X,{%NIt#@4qz6lR9A!}klL61M?&`8p8feD'J 5'J1i&u K08|uN1+|^ T 5O.8,uM^rJV`[X;%!..@ ;~]m2G%Ey,' XtnxQc9!Lm1_h The wood shop feeding Longbranch in Canada did yield some orignal NOS Canadian Destined cheek pieces in the last decade. Sight system is wing protected blade front with flip up dual aperture rear, with calibrations of 800 yards. Hosted by Andy H. Gruff, I don't know but will check mine when I get home tonight and report in if it is on mine. Nice rifle regardless That was my original though, I know I wont get a 100g% sure answer I'm just looking for most likely. These were purchased from the USA as supplies in the great war (WW1) along with the Pattern 14 rifle (amongst other materials). 4 rifle into at least the 1960s. . Spike: C-Broad Arrow acceptance mark (electropenciled). The No. The Enfield No4 MK1 was one of the most prominent battle rifles ever produced. An example would be: rifle serial number 52C2689 would be the 522,689th rifle produced by Savage Stevens. Entrenching tool with helve (handle) that accepts the No. Enfield MK1 S.M.L.E.303 British 24' barrel 1905 production This. The most common of these were: XP was used for the Shortened and Lightened Australian Lithgow (No6 Jungle Carbine) rifles, A was used for No1 MkVI trail rifles, BS was used on the British No7 small bore rifles, and T1 for the No5 small bore rifles. by Saxon Cross 22 Mar 2012, 21:45, Post It may not display this or other websites correctly. I scabbard in web belt frogs made for use with the Pattern 1907 bayonet. An example of a viewer's mark "75TZ" is pictured at left. Scabbard makers included: This uncommon scabbard has parallel sides and is made of very lightweight steel tubing. From 1943 onwards, Singer bayonets bore their dispersal code, N67. Call us toll free: +1 888-744-0066. on Oct 26, 2019. . II bayonets packaged in a cardboard carton. Two Swiss codes are noted. Because of its great simplicity, the government was able to let contracts to firms not previously associated with arms production. The rifle's two-piece stock and 10-round magazine are two of its most distinctive features. A general guide for military surplus rifles, pistols, and ammunition. He also indicated that P.S.S. 1* is functionally the same as the Mk.1, but various changes were made in the design to make the manufacturing process faster. I know it was made in north America I'm just wondering if it's the US or Canada. The following makers' codes are noted on some bayonet blades and scabbards, it is quite possible that they may also appear on firearms and related components. 4Mk. by The_Enigma 29 Mar 2012, 15:46, Post Lewisham marked their bayonets with "L. ENG. 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